Hi guys! This is only for the EDI students but if anyone else would like to write... you know you are welcome!
We never had the time in class to discuss the following statement: victory is not the same as success. (Workshop: On war and peace). Write a comment either agreeing or disagreeing with the statement and back up your response.
Deadline: June, Friday 26.
I'm looking forward to seeing what you think about it!
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Well, first of all, I think that "victory" is not the same as "succes". The fisrt one implies two or more parts that compete in some way to defeat the rivals and get whatever it is that makes them fight among themselves. So, to be victorious implies to smash your rival. Success, instead, represents just the fact that you got what you wanted, but it doesn't imply any neccesary way to do it.
ResponderEliminarP.d = I don't like the work succes, it sounds too bussiness like. AND I HATE IT WHENEVER I SIT FOR AN EXAM AND PEOPLE TELL ME "EXITOS!!!"!!!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Why not just a simple "Espero que te vaya muy bien!"? ahhh????
je.
bye!!! (r)
thanks Gigi!
ResponderEliminarI'll try to remember not to wish you "exitos" when you sit for the language exam!!! I don't want you get you nervous before you start!!! I'll try to say: I hope you do well in your exam!!! Now... what can I do to remember that? je je!!
I think victory is not the same as success. the first one means a success or triumph over an enemy or opponent in a game, war, etc. And success is to achieve or accomplish something you really want. It is personal, not against others.
ResponderEliminarWhen I came here, I heard that people says "exitos" when a person seats for an exam. That is why now I say "exitos". But don´t worry gigi, I won´t tell you that word!!!! jaja.
see you soon.
candy
I think that "success" is a word that you can apply if you want to achieve something by your own, without defeating an oponent as in the word "victory"
ResponderEliminarHello everybody!!
ResponderEliminarI'm here in front of the pc thinking about the task...I agree with my classmates, victory involves defeating the other partie(s)in some kind of competition (war, for example), while success is the achievement an objective/goal.
Once, I heard that victory does not assure success...and now that I have thought about both "definitions" I am doubting if it is well expressed. what do you think people??
see us on Monday
Belu
I forgot to write this, but I think all of you understood that I AGREE WITH THE STATEMENT "VICTORY IS NOT THE SAME AS SUCCESS"
ResponderEliminarje!
byee
Well, success may imply that you've successfully defeated your oponent(s). But I see where you're aiming at, and I agree with you guys.
ResponderEliminarLiliana: I hope you forgive my delays in pretty much everything: I'm in the middle of the long, stressful period of moving to a new house (with my soon-to-be wife!), and I lack the energy and time to deliver everything in time.
See you all in class!
nacho
Hiii! Sorry for all my delay...shame on me!! :S
ResponderEliminarI wanted to say I agree with the statement: "Victory is not the same as success" Why? Because victory, conquest, triumph, which are synonyms, refer to the winning of a war, struggle or competition. But success implies the achievement of something desired, planned, or attempted.
Now, I wanted to share with you the following two quotes. I think they are good examples to reflect the meaning of VICTORY and SUCCESS.
“Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be, for without victory there’s no survival.” (Winston S. Churchill).
"Success is simply a matter of doing what you do best and not worrying about what the other fellow is going to do." (John R. Amos)
Hope you like them!
I won’t see you soon =(
…so enjoy your free time (studying) and let’s keep in touch by mail or msn! =D
Good job guys! I also agree with you all. For me victory is not the same as success. Now, here's another question for you. Do you remember we read part of the tale "The Tin-Pot Foreign General and the Old Iron Woman", in which the Iron Woman defeats the General. It clearly refers to the Malvina War. Would you say Margaret Thatcher was successful because she won the war? I'm looking forward to reading your comments soon!
ResponderEliminarI would say that Margaret T was successful because she won the war... However, soldiers wasn´t so because most of them lost a relative, or their own lives, taking into account that most of the survivors committed suicide after war.
ResponderEliminarNacho, you are starting with the wrong foot. Don't make your soon-new wife become an excuse!!! you are the excuse!! hehehe.
ResponderEliminargigi.
Now... the task!!
ResponderEliminarWell, Margaret Thatcher got what she wanted, so she was succesful. But sometimes succes charges high fees...
mmmmm...Margaret was successful, she got what she wanted, but, on the other hand, many people died and a lot of money was wasted. I agree with Gigi...this kind of success charges veeeery high fees!
ResponderEliminarHi everyone! How do you do?!
ResponderEliminarI think that at that moment Margaret won the war but she couldn´t have felt completely successful because when she celebrated the victory she didn´t respect those people who gave their lives for the country. Her success should have implied some kind of consideration and special cares for the ones who came back with wounds, and especially, she should have given them treatments for mental problems due to the war they had to face. This woman thought only and exclusively of herself and her own interests.
See you!!!
Take care!!!!
Bibi.
Bibi, you may be right, you know. She was called the iron woman! Anyway, a war is always a sad and horrible business for soldiers and their families and citizens in general. I wonder if it means so much for those who plan it behind desks.
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